look there's a reason why the republicans in the white house caved on the debt ceiling. the public is not with them on these issues. >> don't know. kate, you have a little different view. i think republicans now back in the driver's seat because they cooperated on raising the debt ceiling. they forced the senate democrats to put up a budget. the next thing will be the continuing resolution, short term spending cuts. i think the gop by stopping taxes is back in play, they are back in play. >> i love your optimism, larry. i wish i could be jumping up and down with you. but i'm afraid the republicans are in full retreat. i'm hoping -- i know they won't agree to this tax increase. the senator is absolutely right. but the problem is the democrats are using this as another opportunity to put republicans of throwing granny off the cliff, caring only about their millionaire and billionaire buddies. patty murray said we'll put it on the people who best can afford it. it worked for president obama, the democrats, like the cbs news political director said is to go for the jugular,

. >> we dodged a bullet, got the debt ceiling suspended for three months until may 19th. how about this no budget/no pay. is that going to work in the senate? >> larry, i think it should. it's been almost four years since the democrat-controlled senate has done a budget and it's just irresponsible for our country. i serve on the senate budget committee and i can tell you the two years i've been here it's the most disappointing this evening that they've not marked up a budget. harry reid said it would be foolish to do a budget. i think they're changing their mind. how are we ever going to get control of the $16 billion in debt if we don't do a fiscal blueprint for the country? i'm glad also the house said they will do a budget that balances within ten years. >> well, good luck on that, good luck on that. let me ask you something else. another important date is march 1st. that is the automatic across the board spending sequester. senator ayotte, will that thing go through? it doesn't require a vote. it is the law. it says you do nothing, the whole sequester goes through, 1.